[Lugstuff] Regarding a new Meeting Place.

[Thomas Gallen]

> Well they said the gateway for entry to the general public of the school 
> would not be able to join in on such a group. The administration are bunch 
> of closed minded mouth breathers.

I misread that as "administrators", however either reading of the
sentence would be no less true than the other (yeah I went there).

> of closed minded mouth breathers. Its what happens when you have a rather 
> conservative minded group of people in charge. They have five different 
> christian organizations who are allowed to used state provided funds for 
> club organizations yet when they tried to put in the student muslim 
> association you don't even want to hear the stories I heard from friends 
> who tried to start that.

The workplace here can be refered to in no other way than "a politically
charged, cut-throat mess". Each "division" or "department" might as well
be a different country, each fighting over their toys, policies, and
trying to leverage their position against everyone else. If you ever
want to work in a truly "classed" workplace where each person in each
position above you thinks they're more important than the last, this
would be the place. The reason I don't need to hear your story isn't
because it's bad, it's because I have my own (not about clubs though, I
didn't even bother with clubs).

> Anyway AACC is what it is, Another Appalling Community College.

That's a new one. I'll tell my boss that tomorrow. I've only heard "Any
Asshole Can Come" myself.

> What few amazing teachers they have there they pigeon hole and make it
> diffcult to have anything new. Ask Prof. Seabrook his story about
> trying to get his python class.

I will next time I get a chance to speak to him. Funny that you mention
creating new classes, because his Advanced Linux/UNIX System
Administration class just "disappeared" from the catalogue this
semester. I've been trying to get independant study with him but we
contacted him too late so we'll probably end up doing that during the
spring.

> I'm glad I matriculated to a big kids school.

A.) Which one.
B.) Can I come?
C.) They have any openings in IT or related technology positions?

In closing, this is one of those jobs where NOT being a team player
actually gets things done quicker. As this e-mail is only going to get
further into "fire the fucker" territory though, I should probably move
any further stories off of the mailing list. >___>;

Thomas

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 07:22:14PM -0400, Patrick Roanhouse wrote:
> Well they said the gateway for entry to the general public of the school 
> would not be able to join in on such a group. The administration are bunch 
> of closed minded mouth breathers. Its what happens when you have a rather 
> conservative minded group of people in charge. They have five different 
> christian organizations who are allowed to used state provided funds for 
> club organizations yet when they tried to put in the student muslim 
> association you don't even want to hear the stories I heard from friends 
> who tried to start that. Anyway AACC is what it is, Another Appalling 
> Community College. What few amazing teachers they have there they pigeon 
> hole and make it diffcult to have anything new. Ask Prof. Seabrook his 
> story about trying to get his python class. I'm glad I matriculated to a 
> big kids school.
>
>
> On Sep 22, 2008, at 6:56 PM, Thomas Gallen wrote:
>
>> This place is never "full" so to speak. It's a waste really. So many
>> empty classrooms and nothing to do with them. At least, nothing we're
>> allowed to do with them. I agree that it's a waste of taxpayers money to
>> boast such "high tech" facilities then leave them to gather dust.
>>
>> I also meant to ask what happened when you tried to start a Linux
>> Users Group here at the college. Were you denied? If so, were you given
>> a reason? I'd love to hear why they wouldn't let you create such a great
>> club when they allow some other many times more pointless clubs to
>> exist.
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 04:38:14PM -0400, Patrick Roanhouse wrote:
>>>
>>> You would think that being it is a community college and funded by tax
>>> payers that they would fully open it to the use of the community at large
>>> for use when not full. For town meetings or other organizations. They
>>> really should pass a a state bill to allow community college to be used
>>> when public locations are not available to public community 
>>> organizations.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 22, 2008, at 4:01 PM, Thomas Gallen wrote:
>>>> I've confirmed this with a coworker, however, he gave me the contact
>>>> information of the group that deals with reservations, so I'm going to
>>>> try contacting them directly.
>>>>
>>>> I also agree about the lack of community halls. This annoys the shite
>>>> out of me since there really isn't anywhere that you can gather for
>>>> larger events such as uninterrupted public speaking and 
>>>> hardware/software
>>>> demonstration.
>>>>
>>>> Looking at the schedule, the amount of free space available here is
>>>> ridiculous and a huge waste of space and resources so I'll see if I
>>>> can't find some way to get an area. The current bookstore/coffee shop
>>>> meetings just don't seem like they would scale too well in the future.
>>>>
>>>> Thomas
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 01:33:50PM -0400, Patrick Roanhouse wrote:
>>>>> I am a former student of AACC and also the program manager for 
>>>>> Annapolis
>>>>> Apple Slice Mac Users Group as well. We looked into getting one of the
>>>>> auditoriums in CALT since the Severna Park library is closed now on
>>>>> sundays. You have to book at least two months in advance as well as pay 
>>>>> a
>>>>> 200 dollar fee since it not a school club or organization. I also had
>>>>> tried
>>>>> to start a Linux User Group at the school but was only able to start a
>>>>> Network Security Club before I matriculated schools. I think it is kind
>>>>> of
>>>>> sad for the Annapolis Maryland area that we don't have the same kind of
>>>>> community halls like Virginia counties have. Not only for community 
>>>>> club
>>>>> organizations but also for the fact you can't be active and come to 
>>>>> town
>>>>> government meetings on the scale of inclusion like they do say in 
>>>>> Fairfax
>>>>> in VA with their huge community meeting hall.
>